What is with the personal attacks? If you need to have a go, make sure you have some substance to your argument.
Calm down.. As in this is not a big issue.
Original poster - The answer is going to be in the wording of the orders.
I'm guessing, because the father doesn't want to be involved, the magistrate has ordered that the grandparents organise the times between themselves.
So the magistrate wasn't specific? 'by agreement'. I disagreeThat is concise and specific.... A bit of exaggeration to prove the point. Does magistrate need to say meetings must be on Tuesday, but not if it is expected to rain?
By agreement - means work it out among yourselves... So when I said 'calm down' I meant dont overthink it.... Now these are interim orders. So I think magistrate is being clever. He is letting you guys work it out among yourselves. He will then find out how you went.... So if you guys are reasonable in providing access you look good. IF there are no welfare concerns regarding the grandparents then dropping off at their house for a few hours makes sense. Meet at Macca's? Just re-inforce that the mother must not be present. So I think you put the wording of the orders? in the first post "facilitate the maternal grandmother and her husband having contact with the child, at times as agreed between the maternal and the paternal grandmothers. "
Facilitate contact - means make sure granny sees the kid. NO rules about how it is to happen (except mum must not be present). So that means you guys can work it out among yourselves. AND "at times as agreed between the maternal and the paternal grandmothers." Means the kid sees granny when you guys agree.
So IF there is no welfare concerns I reckon making sure the kid spends time with granny for a few hours every fortnight is a good idea. Drop the kid off at Macca's pick up at Macca's. IF the kid tells you that mum was present then get back to your solicitor or seek advice here.
I do think if the magistrate wanted you to remain with the child he would have included the word supervised. So let me ask a question - Is there any historical evidence / reason / OR have you lodged in your application that the maternal grandparent is a risk? IF no then why would you need to supervise? Clearly, there is a notice of risk / evidence that the mum is problematic - hence mum needing supervision.
Glasshalffull.... I've seen orders along the lines of "by agreement" as final orders. It is almost always when sole parental responsibility is granted to one parent. But there must be some pretty serious history for that to occur. In interim orders I think it happens too. Like I said before, I think it provides a situation where the magistrate can work out the scenario. IF dad were to refuse all contact - the orders do say 'by agreement' that is his right. But gee it wont look good in court at the next mention.
Calm down.. As in this is not a big issue.
Original poster - The answer is going to be in the wording of the orders.
I'm guessing, because the father doesn't want to be involved, the magistrate has ordered that the grandparents organise the times between themselves.
So the magistrate wasn't specific? 'by agreement'. I disagreeThat is concise and specific.... A bit of exaggeration to prove the point. Does magistrate need to say meetings must be on Tuesday, but not if it is expected to rain?
By agreement - means work it out among yourselves... So when I said 'calm down' I meant dont overthink it.... Now these are interim orders. So I think magistrate is being clever. He is letting you guys work it out among yourselves. He will then find out how you went.... So if you guys are reasonable in providing access you look good. IF there are no welfare concerns regarding the grandparents then dropping off at their house for a few hours makes sense. Meet at Macca's? Just re-inforce that the mother must not be present. So I think you put the wording of the orders? in the first post "facilitate the maternal grandmother and her husband having contact with the child, at times as agreed between the maternal and the paternal grandmothers. "
Facilitate contact - means make sure granny sees the kid. NO rules about how it is to happen (except mum must not be present). So that means you guys can work it out among yourselves. AND "at times as agreed between the maternal and the paternal grandmothers." Means the kid sees granny when you guys agree.
So IF there is no welfare concerns I reckon making sure the kid spends time with granny for a few hours every fortnight is a good idea. Drop the kid off at Macca's pick up at Macca's. IF the kid tells you that mum was present then get back to your solicitor or seek advice here.
I do think if the magistrate wanted you to remain with the child he would have included the word supervised. So let me ask a question - Is there any historical evidence / reason / OR have you lodged in your application that the maternal grandparent is a risk? IF no then why would you need to supervise? Clearly, there is a notice of risk / evidence that the mum is problematic - hence mum needing supervision.
Glasshalffull.... I've seen orders along the lines of "by agreement" as final orders. It is almost always when sole parental responsibility is granted to one parent. But there must be some pretty serious history for that to occur. In interim orders I think it happens too. Like I said before, I think it provides a situation where the magistrate can work out the scenario. IF dad were to refuse all contact - the orders do say 'by agreement' that is his right. But gee it wont look good in court at the next mention.
