NSW Appealing on Question of Law - NCAT Ignored Grounds of Appeal

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Ian Curtis

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NCAT Appeal Panel dismissed my leave to appeal (had almost two hours of hearing anyhow to arrive to that dismissal). However they did not even consider my "Grounds for Appeal" and yet my barrister is not confident of winning in the Supreme Court and seems to be ignoring what I think is the obvious strength of my case (but IANAL which is why am asking here for opinions please).

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The above was in the body of the email where the application was attached (because of Coronavirus email applications were accepted). The actual PDF application referenced the above in the "Grounds of Appeal" (ie section 5): It clearly says "See email body".
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But in the hearing the Members only referred to what I wrote in the "Leave to Appeal" (ie section 6) mistakenly calling it my "Grounds of Appeal". Here I summarised the same points but they did not even address this summary properly.
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Now I am appealing it in the Supreme Court but my barrister (upon a preliminary examination of the case) is worried there is no question of law upon which to appeal. This flies in the face of guidance from The Law Society which says failing to provide procedural fairness is a question of law.

So that justifies this appeal being granted leave to be heard in the Supreme Court. As to any question of law justifying my leave to appeal (which was rejected) at the NCAT Appeal Panel, you can see from my email that on several points they did not "have any evidence to support a particular factual finding?" (in fact they had actual evidence to the contrary from me which they did not even acknowledge).
 

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adav6638

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Do you need a lawyer to appeal to the supreme court? Or just be self-represented?
I don't see why you could not just go ahead with it (other than the obvious costs).
Is there an update on the matter?
 

perjury

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leave to appeal is only needed when you don't have a question of law
grounds for appeal must be based on the judgement, which in case of a tribunal is the Reasons for Decision
I had a cursory look, and you seem to have errors of fact...which is why leave was not granted
you need either a question of law or an error of law

You cannot appeal to the Supreme Court from a decision to refuse leave to appeal where the leave was not based on an error of law

the UCPR 2005 NSW RULE 51.18 requires
(e) briefly, but specifically, the grounds relied on in support of the appeal, and

this means you must state the error of law (citing the law) and where the error is in the RfD

question of law must do likewise

I suggest you reread the RfD
I also suggest you identify which laws apply to the errors of fact you identify

which division were you in?

What was the fact-in-issue?
 

adav6638

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which division were you in?

What was the fact-in-issue?
Thank you for the informative reply.
It is the criminal division.

The fact in issue was both incorrect facts and also the defendants representative putting in a plea of Guilty which was not officially made by the defendant. They maintained their not guilty plea yet still had the lawyer enter a guilty plea without their consent due to miscommunication. Not sure if that is considered an issue of law or fact.
 

adav6638

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Thank you for the informative reply.
It is the criminal division.

The fact in issue was both incorrect facts and also the defendants representative putting in a plea of Guilty which was not officially made by the defendant. They maintained their not guilty plea yet still had the lawyer enter a guilty plea without their consent due to miscommunication. Not sure if that is considered an issue of law or fact.
Sorry for the confusion, i've used your reply and questions for another case I'm working on to respond to another question.
Thanks.
 

perjury

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leave to appeal is only needed when you don't have a question of law
grounds for appeal must be based on the judgement, which in case of a tribunal is the Reasons for Decision
I had a cursory look, and you seem to have errors of fact...which is why leave was not granted
you need either a question of law or an error of law

You cannot appeal to the Supreme Court from a decision to refuse leave to appeal where the leave was not based on an error of law

the UCPR 2005 NSW RULE 51.18 requires


this means you must state the error of law (citing the law) and where the error is in the RfD

question of law must do likewise

I suggest you reread the RfD
I also suggest you identify which laws apply to the errors of fact you identify

which division were you in?

What was the fact-in-issue?
so just delete your reply